The Games Workshop Chaos Black comes in a pot with a flip-top lid. It contains .41 fluid ounces, and in my area, retails for $3.79. The one shown below is one of the newer, redesigned pots. these new pots offer a clear "button" top which allows you to see the color inside the bottle.
P3 on the palette
This is a couple drops- I kept trying to get a picture of the drop coming out of the bottle and failed repeatedly. I finally gave up and just started the comparison for you.
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So - overall, which would you say is the "best"?
ReplyDeleteI can only ever get GW in my area, but it's worked for me!
I tried to evaluate the paints evenly- to give both positives and negatives for each. Some people vote with their wallets, and for them, if shipping doesn't eat the savings, Reaper is by far the best deal. Other people strongly prefer a thick, even paint on their models. For them, GW and P3 are pretty neck and neck. Other people like something else. I didn't want my personal preferences to get in the way of someone making a choice based on their parameters.
ReplyDeleteIf I had to pick, I'd go with Vallejo or Reaper every time. I like the bottle design infinitely better than GW or P3.
Awesome review! I was a staunch "GW paint, load from the cap" painter for years, but have recently switched up to a wet palate so I've been converting to the Game Color line specifically for the dropper-style bottle. You're bang on target with the fact that they separate rather quickly in the bottle, and you have to shake the bejeebus out of them. I wasn't aware of the Reaper line, but I really like the idea that they include an agitator. I'll have to give them a try! Thanks for this article, it's extremely informative to new painters, and old crusty painters like me as well!
ReplyDeleteA couple of points to add that others might find useful:
ReplyDeleteP3 paints contain liquid pigment (as opposed to the dry pigments the other 3 lines use). This enhances the smoothness of coats and also limits separation.
The tops of the dropper bottles can be removed (the nozzle is a plug that inserts into the neck of the bottle. Simply pry it out and replace with a snap.) Because of this an agitator can easily be added to VGC/VMC paints. I typically use trimmed bits of pewter sprue (and who doesn't have tons of that stuff just lying around, right?).
I use all 4 brands but I'm currently phasing out my GW paints and replacing them with VGC. The added control of the dropper bottles, lower price and higher quality make the change a no-brainer. The color matching to the GW line is also a huge factor.
Great article! Happy painting!
I freely switch from brand to brand based on color/coverage needs, but I am not buying any more VGC. Even with agitators I find the separation intolerable. Most of the time I am forced to open the bottle and stir it to get a decent consistency. As I run out of VGC, I buy Citadel and pour them into the eyedropper bottle.
ReplyDeleteReaper sells their dropper bottles with a little skull agitator included. I like to have few on hand to mix up custom colors or pre-dilute colors to be airbrush-ready.
ReplyDeleteI've found colors in each range that I really enjoy. My favorite lines though, are Reaper Master and Vallejo Model Color. The dropper bottle design coupled with the huge array of colors is a painters delight.
I liked the new GW bottles with the clear lid. Saves painting the lid which was the old way around that. Only thing is, they also removed the little tabs on the back that helped keep the lid open. I have some where the lid closes almost completely making it really annoying to use.
ReplyDeleteAnd, great article, thanks.
"Only thing is, they also removed the little tabs on the back that helped keep the lid open. I have some where the lid closes almost completely making it really annoying to use."
ReplyDeleteThis absolutely drives me nuts about the GW paints. They also changed the way the lid attaches to the pot so I can't just unscrew the entire lid. I find the flip top lids get messy and don't seal well after a while. I will still buy GW paints for their awesome metalics and washes, but that's about it.
I really like the Reaper and Vallejo lines. The only thing I've noticed with Reaper is that a few times I've had the paint dry in the dropper tip, making it very difficult to get any paint out.
Very nice comparison. I don't suppose you could provide a further comparison of some of the more difficult colors, like red and yellow?
Very good article. I am a huge fan of Reaper paints and their headquarters (Reaper Asylum) is about 30 minutes drive from me (near Dallas, Texas). Their Master Series paint is very well made and is fine tuned to be usable right out of the bottle which I appreciate. Great article.
ReplyDeleteGreat article. I would like to add that the color selection is not the only difference between Vallejo Model Color and Vallejo Game Color. The VGC paints were designed to directly compete with GW paints and so they have a hardener in them that makes them hold a bit better on a miniature. The downside to this is that they do not thin as well as the VMC paints do. They also dry with a touch of a satin finish to them (this is a side effect of the hardener). They also tend to be a bit thicker.
ReplyDeleteI use mostly VGC/VMC with a smattering of other paints mixed in. Vallejo also makes a line called Model Air that are formulated for using in an airbrush. I recently started using the metallic paints from this line as they are great. The pigment is extremely fine and the only down side is the non-silver colored metals are all a bit light so need work to really look the part.
one thing to know about the reaper paints is that they tend to dry with an extremely flat finish. It can be a problem if your layering clors from different brands.
ReplyDeleteAs a suggestion for a future article, it would be worth your time to compare metallic paints across ranges since there's a pretty big difference in behavior. The p3 metallics in particular are kinda sucky.
@Lauby - Definitely a good idea. Metalics have a wide range of quality. I don't think I've found a brand that can beat GW for metalics. Their silver is soooo smooth. I've tried Vallejo and it's just too sparkly.
ReplyDeleteIt was anything but brief :)
ReplyDeleteTo briefly sum up:
GW: 0.41 fluid ounce, $3.79, pot
P3: 0.50 fluid ounce, $3.50, pot
VGC: 0.58 fluid ounce, $3.25, drop, reguires shaking
RM: 0.50 fluid ounce, $2.99 online, drop, has actuator to help with shaking
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ReplyDeleteI used to love GW paints, but after a few disasters with their pots, well, Vallejo for me, all the way, albeit from their Model Color and Panzer Aces ranges, and sans the metallic colors (extremists use Alclad. for everyone else, there's Gunze and Tamiya). I've been wondering lately how good Andrea paints are, especially due to their "single color sets. Plus, there's a lot of good to be said about Gunze lacquers (I absolutely worship their Mr. Surfacer primers), despite the fact that, due to their chemical composition, they are terrible to use in badly ventilated areas (after a protracted spraying session, the smell can knock an elephant out).
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I use a full reaper set, GW mega game set, and some VGC. After Thining GW they work together well. I have tho OLD reaper set, so they don't dry flat. Though you can see the difference on larger models like land raiders. also every GW pot has a bad tendancy to dry out FAST. I think it's the medium that GW uses. If your like me, and only want to buy paints every 5 years or so they may not be for you. My reaper never seem to dry out, but my VGC seemed to get harder to shake after about 8 months.
ReplyDeleteThere is one brand that I find beats the GW metallics, and that's Tamiya. Their flake size is finer than GW's which means you can water it down to an insane amount and still get great, smooth coverage. When painting with bristles it's not a big deal but for airbrushing, it's amazing. Having the ability to paint the same colour equally well with both types of brushes is a major plus in my books.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Tamyia's pigments do settle after a while, it's nothing a quick shake and a few drops of Tamiya thinner won't fix.